Here's my take. I hope the world lets me post this!

topic posted Wed, February 20, 2008 - 11:15 PM by  Wormhole Cha...
23. Fancy that, huh? Why 23? What's so special about 23????

Well......

I've been studying the Kabbalah a bit. Read some books.
Have been using it in my mind unflaggingly. And to be honest,
I never gave much thought to that one. But oh how it's tied in!

First, a little Tree background.

10 Sephiroth on man's tree, right?
Including both sephira side and qliphoth side.
Consider each sephira as 1, not two because of that.
So... 10.
Then you have the question of Daath.
What is Daath? God's gift of knowledge.

As an interstitial please remember that there are Four Realms.

So, is Daath truly the 11th Sephira?
Or the 4th?
On His side or ours?

OK then, you agree there are Two Sides.

Well......
It's fourth in His and 11th in yours.
What does this mean?
It means it's both.

That God on the other side is Tripartite. Don't forget that!


So... when you view God, you're doing so through the number 11.
Guess what?
That's just one that's doubled itself.
Don't believe me?
What's the snake doing?
That's right, it's reflecting.
Out of pure nothingness, it has seen itself from out of zero,
progressed to one, and now makes two by looking back.

How, you say?
The Snake is biting its tail.
The Snake is God. The Snake is one, that is two,
PRIOR to releasing the One. Him. Then he has to come back.
To reflect. To look back down the mirror. To see that he is not God.

Something else is.

So....

10 on one side.
1 in the middle. Self-reflecting.
12 on the other side.

Double that mirroring One.
11.

10
+
)(11)(
+
12
=
Actually 33.
See how that happens?
He just put another One out front.
posted by:
Wormhole Charley
California
  • i think tis fun to play with these relationships and to see the fractal holomorph as it echoes in so many things...
    yet a person can get lost in that and loose a grip on perspective and loose their grounding...

    which is i think the moral of the story really of the movie 23.

    What i think is most important to focus on with qablah is the scalar nature; how a waveform can be the size of a pea and the size of basketball
    depending on what from you freeze it at or when you open schroedingers box on it.

    I'm not sure how to drive this forward for you or what to say to move on this.

    I would hope that we could awaken to the right action process of actually experiencing the tree within us and learning to access the merkabah
    vehicle to ascend into tiferet and etc while living.

    To start, i think with da'at. The thing is, are we talking about da'at generally or cosmically or about one of its manifestations in some system? Numbering the sefira is just putting numbers on them. You could number them in any or some other way. The standard derives from the path of creative forces, which skipped da'at in some senses. But you could also number them in terms of our journey experientially as humans, in reverse of the lightning path. You could also number the middle pillar first, and the other two pillars in order of yin/yang dominance.

    So to some extent all we are doing is juggling these symbols, and that can become masturbatory if it doesn't lead to personal evolution.
    Da'at is not a sefira, it is a break in the tree which splits the tree into two main peices. Da'at is compositionally the same as that which surrounds the whole tree; the limitless void. So its not a sefirot, its what exists outside of the tree.

    Furthermore, because there are four worlds and qliphoth, there are 40 sefirot and 80 spheres before one starts to count extras.

    I could go deeper and deeper into conversational partiiculars but i don't know that really answers you.

    I think in some ways the best answer is a very short one; it sounds like you have been having some visions, and thats awesome.
    You should own it as your experience, and realize that others won't see the same patterns that you do exactly.

    That doesn't drive the conversation forward very well tho.

    Honestly when you nvited me over here, i came, i looked, and i really didn't know what to say. If i dive in to the stuff you posted as an information worker, it might seem i don't value your experience. If i just give you the easy pat answer, thats certainly anti-climactic.
    I don't know that i would ever put "god" and "machine" in the same sentence, if i wanted to do that i might use the words
    "System". what exactly do you see this machine doing?
    Honestly your exploration seems perfect and beautiful to me, and poetic, but i don't know what if anything i can possibly add.

    For this reason i haven't.

    more fun and interesting numerology games can be had with the number 37 as it plays out in its assorted multiples, for instance,
    111
    222
    333
    444
    555
    666
    777

    It is a number related to these numbers via the iterations of 12s and 13s.

    Yet all of these numbers can become a sort of mental fog that covers over the reality. The subtle unvierse has its own laws to be sure,
    and in some senses, its very own mathematics.


    • "i don't know that really answers you."

      You answer me. I answer you. Other people are also here,
      whether they post to this thread or not. Maybe they are other
      parts of this answer elsewhere, even here on tribe.

      Daath for me starts with self-knowledge. As we are all
      visions of God, we get to see him through ourselves also.

      Remember when you mention God and Machine,
      anyone else doesn't know what you mean. That was
      the subject of a PM between you and me. Therefore,
      they can see its reference in any way they wish.

      I'm glad you stopped by.

      Thank you for the exploration of the number 37.

      I mostly use words, not numbers.

      Keep working it, my friend.

      Love, Andy.
      • I've never heard, or seen, or read or otherwise the "Shekinah" being referred to as another soul, or much to do with the soul whatsoever...
        Which isn't saying anything.. just it's an ideal that I am unfamiliar of this term being used as.
        In a somewhat convoluted way you could strike a correlation as if there is a soul within us all, and the Shekinah being a form of the Glory, and if that as an aspect of - oh, give it a name - "some omnipotent being" that is reflected in that soul, that Glory, or the Shekinah is an aspect of the soul - but which soul, and it being a seperate "soul entity" that each person contains within ourselves... that's different.

        33?

        I am more familiar with the 10 sefirot + the 22 letters of the Hebrew Alphabet equal the 32 Paths of Wisdom...

        Right?
        • It's been a while. I have moved on from certain ideas. Likely some of the thoughts
          I had were incorrect. I have left off on some of my research. Also, I'm poor right now
          so I can't order the books I want to. Maybe later. So... that was speculation, at the time.
          The idea is more refined now in my mind. The Egyptian's postulated seven souls.
          Theories abound. I guess I have to read this thread again. This is the fact with a
          tool like tribe, you want to re-edit things later. In fact I was going to with my page.
          But in any case constant evolution of ideas is required. At least from my perspective.
          I'm more hesitant to state such things now. I could state my current reasoning,
          but as I feel that is too limited, I won't bother. In any case I was driven to these ends
          due to the state of the world, and thinking that even unearthing something to believe
          in from my own perspective would aid things. And I do think it has. But so far some
          points are hazy. But then what can you expect from someone working away in isolation.
          Most of it was an attempt to express some inspiration. Take it from there. Maybe I'll
          load some pictures that go along that channel. Also, why push this thread after so
          much time?

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