Chaos Tarot Deck, 23

topic posted Fri, October 7, 2005 - 8:24 AM by  offlineNightwind
chaosdancer.egoplex.com/deck/m...23.html

This is the best card of them all. Stare at it
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Nightwind
Maryland
  • Re: Chaos Tarot Deck, 23

    Wed, October 19, 2005 - 9:02 AM
    Wow. The others are way cool too.

    Can't............... stop.................. staring..................... THE PAIN!!!!!

    Otter
    • XXIII. Eschaton

      Sun, June 10, 2007 - 7:15 PM
      The object at the end of time grows nearer with every passing moment. Stare into this abyss, and you will unmistakably feel it staring back into you. It's getting nearer, and it will blow the house down. This is a dangerous card, a working card. Put your will into this card, and the eschaton WILL come sooner.
  • Re: Chaos Tarot Deck, 23

    Mon, June 11, 2007 - 4:11 PM
    The cards are really neat looking; but I wonder why the description of the minor arcana gives different correspondences concerning the elements that are associated with the different suits? They have attributed the Swords with Fire when they are traditionally Air, The Wands with Earth when they are traditionally Fire, and the Coins with Air when they are traditionally Earth. They do give the correct correspondence for the Cups as Water.
    • Re: Chaos Tarot Deck, 23

      Mon, June 11, 2007 - 8:26 PM
      Adolf-- I noticed the same thing. I mean, it is the Chaos tarot deck, and all, but...?
      I do agree that the images are interesting.
      • Re: Chaos Tarot Deck, 23

        Tue, June 12, 2007 - 12:32 AM
        Yeah, if chaos was the theme, and that explained why the attributions were as they were, then . . . why structure it in every other sense so "loyal" to the basic format? I mean, 22 Major arcana cards which (pretty much) follow the original paradigm, (with just one added to justify the "discordian" element), four suits of the minor arcana (which include the original four elements) but minus the four court cards. I don't know.........maybe it's "MAYBE LOGIC".
        • Re: Chaos Tarot Deck, 23

          Tue, June 12, 2007 - 1:04 PM
          In communication with JM Berger...creator of Chaos Tarot Deck

          The correction is now on line: XXIII. Eschaton

          "...I made a conscious decision to change the
          elemental-suit associations. When
          you look at the fractal pallette, the decision to
          associate wands and earth
          is a pretty easy one -- I had the concept of
          green branches firmly fixed in
          my mind from the start.

          Pentacles, as coins and significators of wealth,
          seem better reflected by
          air than earth -- because I tend to view money
          and the physical fortunes of
          life as being fleeting and somewhat intangible.
          However, I did end up
          sacrificing some of the home and hearth imagery,
          which is a bit of a loss.
          I do think fire imagery perfectly reflects the
          Swords conflict concepts, and
          also the idea of fire as that which tempers
          metal.

          As far as the correlations, I have faith I will
          work it out eventually, but
          I haven't done all of the correlations yet. In
          some cases, it will be tricky
          because there are Tarot concepts that don't
          readily align with i-Ching --
          for instance, there is no obviously equivalent
          hexagram to the 10 of Swords
          (Fire), which signifies physical death.

          If you click around the site much, you'll also
          see I am very interested in
          i-Ching structure (iching.egoplex.com/).
          But I have painted myself
          into a bit of a corner in terms of synchronizing
          the deck's structure to the
          i-Ching, for various technical reasons (mostly
          having to do with the uneven
          balance between major and minor arcana). I will
          want the correlations to
          have structural significance, which makes it a
          much bigger and more
          intimidating job. But hopefully not
          insurmountable....
          • Re: Chaos Tarot Deck, 23

            Tue, June 12, 2007 - 2:49 PM
            I did notice, of course, the correlation with the I'Ching. By virtue of the number difference between your typical tarot deck and the I'Ching, I can understand the challenge. Thank you for posting this comment, Aleksonder. Some explanation about the change in elements on the web-site might be beneficial, so as not to turn off any potential buyers.
            I am a bit of purist, which is not to say that I am inflexible. My first reaction, however, was definitely WTF?. Not to be curmudgeonly, because I do think the artwork is stunning, but I LIKE the correlation in traditional tarot decks between swords and air-- cutting through the BS, the mental plane. Our thoughts, in my opinion, are infinitely more fleeting than the trees that sprout from the Earth, and many other representations of the material plane. I could go on, but I don't think it necessary.
            I commend the creator for his/her? work and the expansion of the concept. It feels like the deck is in a process of refinement. As art, the deck is intriguing. As a tool, I would probably wait until the creator had finalized the product before buying it.
            I like the yin/yang spread on the web-site, by the way.